tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post111248372645193971..comments2007-04-17T12:30:52.378-07:00Ensan Kadimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01421808644076623027noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1113092881934677222005-04-09T17:28:00.000-07:002005-04-09T17:28:00.000-07:00دورت في كام موقع وعرفت ما الفرق المقصود<BR/>ربما كان هذا أبسطهم<BR/>http://www.coptichymns.net/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-4963-start-0.html<BR/><BR/>لكني أرى إن بذلك التفسير فلا يوجد مسيحيين <BR/>monotelistes<BR/>أساساً<BR/><BR/>لكن من الواضح والله وأعلم إن ذلك الاسم إختراع حديث، وإن استخدم كلمات يونانية، وذلك أولاً لأن هناك عدة شروح حوله (بينما لا يؤكد ويشرح البروتستانت كونهم لوثريين مثلاً)، ثانياً هو إن أرشيف الفاتيكان لم يكن به أي<BR/>MIAPHYSITES<BR/><BR/>لكن في المقابل ذكر <BR/>MONOPHYSITES<BR/>ثلاث مرات<BR/>http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_29061896_satis-cognitum_en.html<BR/>رقم 3<BR/><BR/>و<BR/>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1J.HTM<BR/>رقم467<BR/><BR/>و<BR/>http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_08091951_sempiternus-rex-christus_en.html<BR/>رقم 25 و43<BR/><BR/>عموماً المسألة تم الإتفاق عليها منذ زمن<BR/>وأظنه كارل بارت الذي قال إنه من المؤسف أن يتشاجر مسيحيون على الفاظ فلسفية<BR/><BR/>مع إحترامي للفلسفة وولاء طاعة العقل<BR/><BR/>ودمتمEnsan Kadimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01421808644076623027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1112764004068246812005-04-05T22:06:00.000-07:002005-04-05T22:06:00.000-07:00Huh!! You consider aljazeera ta7shish??<BR/>Read then <A HREF="http://www.islammemo.cc/taqrer/one_news.asp?IDnews=367" REL="nofollow">the following</A> in <A HREF="http://islammemo.cc" REL="nofollow">Islam Memo</A>.<BR/><BR/>As for the visit to Egypt. John Paul II didn't visit Egypt to dialogue with Orthodox. He visited it as a first step in his pilgrimage to the "Holy Lands" on the steps of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc...<BR/><BR/>Yes.. There are two major Orthodox families, the Chalcedoneans (called by the Catholics, Eastern Orthodox) and the Non-Chalcedoneans, called Oriental Orthocox.<BR/>But sorry.. The Copts are not MONOPHYSITES. This is what the greeks callt hem, the copts are MIAPHYSITES. Read the difference somewhere.<BR/>الله.. أنا باكتب ليه بالإنجليزي؟<BR/>السياق يُحكُم!<BR/><BR/>ـRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08558903851142869523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1112571099421314002005-04-03T16:31:00.000-07:002005-04-03T16:31:00.000-07:00There is a difference between Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox. The first spans Coptic Othodox, while Roman (Rum) Orthodox belongs to the second. Look them up in Wikipedia.<BR/><BR/>By the way, you can edit Wikipedia's article to mention the Pope's visit to Egypt. That's the idea of Wiki. Don't worry about not having an elegant style. Someone else will take care of that. In fact some Wikizines beleive that you should either add information or beautify and enhance wording, not both at the same time.ألِفhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12671465044126757555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1112570049790291312005-04-03T16:14:00.000-07:002005-04-03T16:14:00.000-07:00dear Anonymous...<BR/>just visit <BR/>http://www.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3B1AFEC1-C992-4B4A-81B0-257AD59316ED.htm<BR/>and read the links on the left<BR/>even if you consider yourself coming from March, you will notice the "ta7shish" written there<BR/><BR/>it's strange that they didn't mension his visit to egypt<BR/>but, the word "Orthodox" in the whole world means whan we call<BR/>روم أرثذكس<BR/>which are more Bysantic, they are mainly in Russia, Eastern Europe, Greece, Cyprus, a little in Egypt and Middle East, their central capital was what is now Istanbul in Turkey, their negotiations with the Catholic Church is the most succesful one<BR/><BR/>this is different from the 5 monophisic Churches (Copts in Egypt, Syrians in "blad el sham", Armenian in Armenia & Lebanon, "أحباش" in Eithiopia, Malabar in India) wich was named by their name till the 20's century (mabe late 19's) when they added the word "Orthodox" and the discussion between then and the Catholic Church still in defining the words' meaning, as one member in the theological talks told me, but it's moving forword.<BR/><BR/>mabe that's why they neclect the talks with the Coptic Orthodox ChurchEnsan Kadimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01421808644076623027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1112548376747527082005-04-03T10:12:00.000-07:002005-04-03T10:12:00.000-07:00لقد سبقتنى فى التعليق .... لن أعلق هنا لأنى و ضعت تعليقى على الصفحة الخاصة بى<BR/><BR/>http://ensankhorda.blogspot.com/2005/04/may-18-1920april-2-2005.htmlإنسان خردة للبيعhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06838509879208350421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7121976.post-1112511229669542532005-04-02T22:53:00.000-08:002005-04-02T22:53:00.000-08:00can you post a link to the jazeera article you mentioned?<BR/><BR/>btw noticed the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II" REL="nofollow">Pope's Wiki Pedia page</A> does not mention his visit to Egypt at all even when the relationship with orthodox church is discussed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com